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welcome back to uap studies today we

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have a fantastic guest on the show we do

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have sean cahill who is joining us and

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we do have louis who is returning as

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well to a co-host on uap's podcast uh

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studies podcast i should say thank you

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louie for joining us again how's it

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going my man it's going really well

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thanks for having me it's uh i've been

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super excited with our our lineup of

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people we've had in past weeks and

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upcoming weeks and especially today you

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know uh we talked a lot about atip and

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uh the videos the tic tac and everything

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else and we have somebody who witnessed

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that firsthand right yeah um his uh

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reputation precedes him he's super

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credible guy and we're excited to have

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him on the show

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perfect well without further ado sean

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cahill welcome to up studies my man

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thank you so much for joining us

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it's really my pleasure thank you thanks

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for having me

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well the first question i have because

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your position uh you were on a princeton

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uh right okay so and your position was

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uh chief master of arms now i'm canadian

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i'm not quite familiar with the military

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uh process but what is the chief master

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of arms

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the chief master at arms is the chief

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law enforcement officer on board um on

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board the uss princeton i was actually

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the only law enforcement officer on

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um but in the navy that extends from a

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time when that person would have been

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the one who kept the ammunition and uh

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cutlasses locked up so the rabble of the

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crew didn't use them for a mutiny in

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between battles but he would also he

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would also be the person who would who

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would train the crew in the use of those

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weapons so he would unlock them take

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them out train them to use them he was

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also the disciplinarian on a ship and

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those things translate to our our modern

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navy where we work in anti-terrorism

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force protection law enforcement

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discipline interrogation things like

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that oh nice so that was your

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how long have you been on the princeton

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like what was your uh

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amount of years on there

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i had actually just gotten on board the

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princeton let me think so the tic-tac

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was in november um i had gotten on board

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the previous

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june actually and it had been a pretty

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whirlwind a few months

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of indoctrination because i had made uh

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i made the rank of chief petty officer

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shortly after i'd gotten on board i had

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the position of chief master at arms but

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now i had attained the rank of chief

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master at arms and there was a

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three-month initiation period

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that doesn't really exist anymore in the

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modern navy that uh that we had to go

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through to to earn our anchors

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and right after that we went into a

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workup which was the tic tac event okay

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very very shortly after that that was

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probably the first time i really got

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back to work

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after uh we finished getting uh

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initiated well that's a hell of an

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initiation yeah

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speaking of the the tic tac videos let's

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just give people a bit of a background

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history a lot of them have seen the

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government released um you know grainy

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videos that we have the gimbal and the

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tic tac and some have even seen uh like

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a triangle i believe that was off the

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east coast but um basically in a

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nutshell what sort of happened that day

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you saw things on the radar and

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you know sort of lead us through uh what

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led to these uh these videos being uh

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captured basically

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yeah that that day was was the

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culmination of numerous days of uh

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senior chief kevin day

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myself uh petty officer gary voorhees a

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few other people on board princeton

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trying to track down what kevin had been

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seeing on radar and others had been

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and they were trying to run the ground

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whether or not these were actual objects

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whether they may have been atmospheric

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issues or issues in the system because

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there had been a recent upgrade

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but i was up on the bridge

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um which is not a normal place for the

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the mastered arms to be but i was

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feeling i was doing a favor for my

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navigator and also

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kind of doing a favor for my career

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because i wasn't

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um i wasn't one of the people that was

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going to be in the spotlight at that

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command so i had to do a few extra

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stay competitive

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but um we had been kevin had been

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calling me on the bridge via just a

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telephone line and asking me to

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change the course of the ship at certain

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intervals which i was able to do because

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we were operating in a box

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where just as long as the ship stayed in

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that box everybody else was able to get

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the job done so those of us on the

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bridge had certain parameters we were

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so during that time we were we were

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facing the ship here and there and he

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was calling up and asking you know do

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you guys see anything keep your lookouts

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eyes on the sky and the eyes in the sky

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i kept having to differentiate between

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the the

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the training op we're on

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and what kevin was doing because i was

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getting frustrated because i've got you

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know operational people over here

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yelling at me fine find the submarine

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and i've got a friend of mine and a

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colleague calling me on a telephone

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going finally i'm being jokey but find

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the ufo yeah and so i i was torn between

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what i was doing and what had but uh

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leading up into the day

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and i i still haven't put to

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put exactly together

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when commander fravor lieutenant or

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commander dietrich and the others were

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out there

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with the f-18s because i didn't sorting

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versus when i witnessed what i did in

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the sky but

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it was late at night arrived past 10

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um very dark fully completely clear sky

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um bright stars i don't recall moonlight

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that night

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but i had gone out onto the port side

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when kevin had asked us to furiously

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scan the horizons we were we were it was

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supposed to be out there ahead of us or

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something we were seeing it on radar so

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tell me if your your guys can see it in

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and i went out to the port side and i

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started scanning with the binoculars and

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as soon as i got up to the

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bow of the ship at about 2000 feet off

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just off the port valve so just off of

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center line there were five or seven

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lights and i'm not sure exactly which

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because they were all moving

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very very luminous and all moving

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there's a perfume spiraling in that was

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going on so they were they were like

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and then they were gone each one at a

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spiral in gone spiral and gone and all

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and i turned to the lookout and i asked

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we using salty sailor expletives asked

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him if he'd seen that and he he

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then we literally just sat there for a

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looking around waiting to see something

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it was kind of anti-climactic i went in

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the ship like i think i called kevin

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told him what was going on i may not

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have told him till the next morning i'm

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not sure because it was not there there

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wasn't anybody to report it to the chain

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of command wasn't tracking it but kevin

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was tracking it and reporting to the

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and you know there were other people

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involved but it wasn't going to

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interrupt our off

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the next morning i got down to the i

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woke up in the chief's mess and went out

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and had breakfast with the guys and

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um kevin and a couple of other people

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had had smiles on their faces and

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they're i'm like what because i was kind

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of ticked off i was like what do you got

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me chasing up there on the bridge this

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is ridiculous right

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they were like you need to go check your

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high side email and which is our sipper

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net where we we send uh you know secret

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and above um

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correspondence and things like that

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and i went into the back we had our own

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little annex where we could we could

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check our email and i they gathered

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behind me and they watched me watch the

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same video we've all seen the tic tac

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um i i will say that it was pretty clear

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it was a lot more when people ask me if

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i've seen a more high definition video

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i it's finally come i finally after

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doing a lot of looking on my computer

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looking at the you know the versions

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that have come out and everything else

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i saw a better quality

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of the same video we're looking at a

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higher definition of the same video so

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it was just a better a better

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um conversion rate or something when

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they when they gave it to us that day i

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remember there being a lot more

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discernible

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i don't want to say electricity but

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there's um you know the tesla balls we

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used to they used to sell it sharper

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image i think it's a glass ball you know

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you just put your

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finger on it and it dances it looks like

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that kind of dancing plasma on the um

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on the clear right but that's the only

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major difference that that i have from

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from the videos we've seen but i saw the

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videos

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and i was like i knew exactly what i was

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looking at i knew i was looking at an

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image on a flare that didn't look like

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on any image on a flare i'd ever seen

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before right and so a lot of things

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seemed obvious at the time that we were

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looking at something without control

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surfaces that it it as we called it at

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the time that it's zorched out of the

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um it's so it's a word we use for

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fast-moving stuff in the surface navy

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um and it just didn't fit because we we

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also we're all sitting there as

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tacticians and

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career sailors piecing together all the

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information we've had in the last few

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days and just turning around and looking

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a lot of big smiles and nodding like

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this is a big deal this is this is going

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to be something i bet and

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the uh the only tale to that is i got i

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got back to shore

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uh at the end of the operation i went up

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to the

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north island naval air station police

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station to actually steal some uh some

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crime scene tape because i had been the

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one who ordered it there before i

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transferred so i knew they had plenty

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and

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of my friend's wife was on the nimitz

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and she was an intelligence specialist

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and had been paying attention to all of

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these things she was one of you know you

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always got those people in the room that

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are watching everything

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and um

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she knew that she said the master at

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arms on that ship were told to sequester

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the pilots in their staterooms

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until some folks who were in civilian

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clothes came on board and debriefed them

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now i've never i haven't in all of the

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last few years i haven't had a chance i

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actually haven't met any of the pilots

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there hasn't been a chance for us to

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need to to work together other than to

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you know do a little side support um

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with you know

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stuff like that but it hasn't been

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imperative that we talk so i've never

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ran down whether or not that actually

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happened for them but that's

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that's pretty much the whole story of

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the tic tac for that week great and they

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mentioned something about like the

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people that arrive in civilian clothes

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like it was like within 20 minutes or

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something like that after the pilots

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came back like it was really really fast

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well we were 20 minutes off for sure

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that's that's the regular uh yeah that

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would be the regular transit time for

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the area we were in to the fleet

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concentration area here so okay so not

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not not a big deal that it only took 20

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minutes no not to me not if not if we

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were if we were tracking this for about

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a week and our commanding officer even

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though he seemed aloof of the subject

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the whole time to me right i i'm

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probably not he i mean the information

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did get back to where it needed to when

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someone did come fly out

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and allegedly take radar tapes

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and it was studied later by atip and and

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all that so it's a valid event

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i think we we're we're always trying to

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put an easy answer on it oh they didn't

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care oh they really cared or something

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like that i think it's somewhere in

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between yeah

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i wanted to ask you about atip and as we

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know luis elizondo

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very instrumental in this whole movement

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and also a good friend of yours you've

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appeared in a lot of uh interviews with

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him and again same type of humble

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just i don't know what it is but i'm

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hell-bent on trying to help figure it

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out and give people that voice and uh he

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mentioned the five observables and uh

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i've seen you on a few other interviews

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and they put you on the spot and it's

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like uh it's kind of hard to know what

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they are so i have them here just uh so

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take everybody off the hook and also for

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our listeners that may not know so um

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one of these five any one of these five

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would be a game changer in itself the

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characteristics it would display and

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this and many display all five so we

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talk about things like positive lift or

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anti-gravity things that can move

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without control surfaces without any

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propulsion there's no heat you know you

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see them on the flear they're this fuzzy

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electrostatic bubble but it's cold in

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the center it's like the exact opposite

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of what we think

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and then they have instantaneous

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acceleration that kind of speaks for

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itself

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and you look at what the g-force would

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be with something going from not

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2500 miles an hour it's 50 to 200 g's it

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would kill anything that that we know

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um could survive that right uh these

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things have hypersonic velocities so

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hypersonic meaning five times the speed

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of sound plus so that's 3 700 miles per

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hour and even luis elizondo's been on a

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record saying yeah it's hypersonic but

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we're not talking about just barely some

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of these things go five eight ten

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thousand miles an hour uh you know it's

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mind-blowing and no sonic booms there's

388
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no signs you know they display low

389
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observability or cloaking you know the

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ability to sort of conceal themselves

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from radar-ish you know they're very

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well concealed uh and then fifth uh the

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trans-medium travel you know the ability

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to seamlessly move through space or air

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or water uh regardless of the physics of

396
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those mediums you know air being thinner

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than water and it doesn't seem to matter

398
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that they can go 500 miles an hour in

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the water

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and our best torpedoes go less than 200

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miles an hour as far as we know so uh

402
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they display all these crazy uh

403
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characteristics and even the tic tac

404
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video uh you said that it seemed it

405
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seemed to come almost that from a

406
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sub-orbital um elevation 70 or 80 000

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feet uh right down to sea level

408
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instantly

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yeah and there's nothing out there that

410
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we could even think uh that we would

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have or anybody else would have just

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because humans are humans even if it is

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because a lot of people i don't know if

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how i mean you guys are uh associated

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with the seo right uh so you guys have a

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you know this is a different perhaps a

417
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different audience but not everybody

418
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understands orbital dynamics what it

419
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takes to get into orbit what it takes to

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get out of orbit and get back down here

421
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and nothing comes straight here the

422
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energy expenditure and the amount of

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energy required for a breaking maneuver

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let alone from 80 000 feet

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to a meter above the water in an instant

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without vaporizing

427
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a quarter you know you know i don't know

428
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how many cubic yards of water around you

429
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you know it's i can't even wrap my head

430
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around because as i'm a sailor not a

431
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scientist but

432
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but there's

433
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we have reached this point where we now

434
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have a list of five things that we're

435
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seeing five observables and i want to be

436
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really kind of

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simplistic with this five things we can

438
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observe

439
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that the moment you take them to to

440
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mainstream academia or science they go

441
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that's impossible they don't even want

442
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to see the data and we're it's taken

443
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this long to go no no listen

444
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five things we've observed them we've

445
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clocked them we've looked at them we can

446
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show it to you we don't know what it is

447
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but you're saying impossible and i'm

448
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showing it to you so you just need to ch

449
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move your brain over to possible

450
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and now we figure out the who what where

451
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when why how right but it's been that

452
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paradigm shift of and for the public

453
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it's is this real

454
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yes it's real they jump right to what is

455
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it who is it what does it mean to me

456
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the scientific community the academic

457
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community just needs to be shown that

458
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it's it's it's researchable it's

459
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repeatable it's it's gonna it's

460
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something they're gonna be able to sink

461
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their teeth into and we're getting there

462
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and it's the momentum it's insane

463
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um

464
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so i just wanna say that what you

465
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brought up with the five observables

466
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that's vastly important that we keep

467
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talking about that

468
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,519
so have you noticed a huge change now

469
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within the scientific community about

470
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this this topic

471
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i have it's unfortunately been based

472
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initially upon

473
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a lot of personal trust

474
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who knows who who's willing to accept

475
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what from whom right um you know and and

476
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it's there's a lot of mental bona fides

477
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checking going on for people going well

478
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where oh well they work with this

479
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program so i don't want to talk to them

480
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or

481
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somebody that's in the mainstream that

482
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has a stake

483
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in their livelihood in science to step

484
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out and say yeah this is real and i

485
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think it's incredibly important as any

486
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of us would if we realized that

487
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and now now i'm going to move forward

488
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with it

489
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it's safer now but it's still not

490
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it's still not the way to go you know

491
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no i'm i'm

492
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like i said i'm

493
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i believe that true disclosure comes

494
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from men and women in the service you

495
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know in military that are coming forward

496
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saying hey this is some of the stuff

497
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that we've observed and some of the

498
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stuff that we've experienced

499
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and it is an experience like it's it's

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something that you take home with you

501
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after you're done you know doing your

502
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time in the military so i think that

503
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true disclosure is coming through you

504
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know men and women in the service and uh

505
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you're one of those people taking the

506
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lead there and definitely

507
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helping some people come out of the

508
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uap closet if you will

509
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and speak up so that's good

510
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,640
thank you i appreciate it

511
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so where do you think it's headed from

512
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here i mean luis eliza will come out and

513
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say i can do more as a public civilian

514
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than i can going through red tape you

515
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know working within the confines of

516
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those programs and uh he's aligning

517
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himself with people such as you and you

518
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,600
know there's this big movement

519
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you know he chose not to continue with

520
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:00,400
the show on the history channel

521
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,960
unidentified um he seems to want to take

522
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less of a media or entertainment based

523
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approach and more of

524
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an outbound approach so like what can

525
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:11,039
you tell us what's coming in the future

526
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,039
what uh what does this look like moving

527
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,360
forward and with your help of course

528
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well i think we're going to feel um

529
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first of all you're going to see more of

530
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more of the same from us which a lot of

531
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people are going to say well you guys

532
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,919
are kind of quiet well we work behind

533
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the scenes we link people up together

534
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we're less interested i i appreciate you

535
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,000
saying we're humble it's

536
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i i will say that we're less interested

537
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:33,520
in spotlight and fame and that kind of

538
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thing because we've seen how that's

539
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poisoned the subject the uh the cult of

540
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,480
personality and the ego that goes around

541
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it and the need to be

542
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special or the one or

543
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or to have some information or a

544
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photograph that someone else doesn't

545
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have right we've been inundated by that

546
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over and over again and come

547
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disappointed um so there's that side of

548
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it that is the the public interface and

549
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um

550
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[Music]

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the deconflicting of of

552
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misinfo disinfo and fiction

553
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,720
but then i think the most important part

554
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,039
is that we've reached major milestones

555
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,840
in government and science and industry

556
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,760
where they are paying attention we you

557
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:16,320
know with the passing of the ndaa

558
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,360
and the things that i think that are

559
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:18,720
going to trickle out of that whether

560
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,520
it's um lasting oversight

561
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,200
a a

562
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,520
kind of a clearing house

563
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,120
for all the data that's going to that's

564
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,280
going to troll the government archives

565
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,840
and crack open the the programs that may

566
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,320
or may not have existed and finally you

567
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,160
know unlock the data and then bring it

568
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,720
safely into on the classified side at

569
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,760
first

570
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,840
but where a modern eye can look at it

571
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,720
and say okay obviously we have an over

572
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,960
classification with our military system

573
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,559
with our with our intelligence system

574
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,400
where things just go away and they never

575
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,559
come back and that has to change yeah

576
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,960
and that this is a great place to start

577
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,120
and i think we're going to see a lot of

578
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,039
those things probably happen i know that

579
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,280
there's a lot of folks uh really trying

580
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:03,679
to look at this as a big picture item

581
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,480
too

582
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,000
because science is going to get into the

583
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,320
details and academia is going to find

584
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320
the things that that interest them and

585
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:12,320
let's be real the media is eventually

586
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,760
going to find the things that build ad

587
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,440
revenue dollars to keep their machine

588
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:17,440
going and then they're going to own the

589
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,559
subject

590
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:21,280
in the public eye right um

591
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,000
the

592
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,559
but if we don't have generalists

593
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:26,480
looking at

594
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,280
the entirety of phenomena and trying to

595
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,720
figure out what this means for the

596
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,640
entirety of humanity not just for a

597
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:34,559
niche industry or

598
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,080
or better telecom or better aerospace

599
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,240
um if we don't figure out the what's

600
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,600
going on

601
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,280
the big questions that the people want

602
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,559
to know

603
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,159
we're gonna get ourselves out with our

604
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,240
pants down because we've already seen

605
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,000
that something operates at a level that

606
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,640
just makes us look silly yeah

607
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,159
yeah it seems like our interest has

608
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,320
never gone away i mean even if you want

609
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,200
to connect the dots on a big timeline go

610
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,840
back to roswell something happens you

611
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,520
know they they get inquiries and

612
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,360
everything else they have project sign

613
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,799
and project grudge and blue book and

614
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,880
then in 69 they say hey we didn't find

615
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:10,720
anything really worth watching uh we're

616
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,679
not gonna

617
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,840
pursue this anymore and then for it to

618
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:15,280
be acknowledged with those videos

619
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,799
released in 2017 and then 2020 the

620
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:20,799
pentagon agrees yeah we we sanction

621
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,280
those videos we did in fact

622
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,679
so for the skeptics that say well you

623
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,280
know i don't believe or you know we have

624
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,200
five observables not enough it's not

625
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,640
like these are fringe videos that

626
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,640
somebody captured on a shaky cam that

627
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,039
are becoming popular or trending this is

628
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,280
government released footage you know

629
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,440
like 20 years ago if you told someone

630
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,440
into this topic that the government's

631
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,080
going to release legitimate uap footage

632
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,480
you wouldn't believe it you know so it

633
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,320
definitely feels like the start of some

634
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,640
type of disclosure but it's maybe not

635
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,480
the disclosure with the capital d that

636
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:54,880
we think it's lower case where it just

637
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,000
becomes this organic web of information

638
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,919
and eventually you can't really have

639
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,919
naysayers when there is evidence you

640
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,159
know you guys are supporting factual

641
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,360
measurable

642
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,000
you know data that science nuts want and

643
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,720
crave is there it's not like it's take

644
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,559
my word for it you have

645
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,240
you know there's telemetry on this type

646
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,240
of stuff so i think that's really that's

647
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,200
positive moving forward for sure

648
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,640
there's a history program that can be

649
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:22,080
shown going back

650
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,200
although as you said all the way to

651
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
world war ii

652
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,480
that should indicate to any casual

653
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,000
observer that interest was maintained

654
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,080
over 70 years for sure

655
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,520
it should be a simple

656
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,600
checkers move for you to say okay

657
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,679
someone saw something worthwhile that

658
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,000
could gain power for for

659
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,240
our side doesn't matter who that is and

660
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,520
then did what they could to guard it

661
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,600
until they understood it and then kept

662
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,960
finding out they didn't understand it

663
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,480
they didn't understand it so the the

664
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,559
power vacuum kept occur i can see that

665
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,480
it makes sense to me and it's not

666
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,159
something i need a long you know a group

667
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,840
of apologists to come forward and

668
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,799
explain

669
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,760
um

670
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,720
but

671
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,400
cracking those things out of that

672
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,720
classified system and changing the way

673
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,720
that we do business so that you and i

674
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,320
and everybody else going forward that's

675
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,679
putting their heart and their soul into

676
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:08,080
this now in the public eye that it

677
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,440
doesn't turn around and go back behind

678
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,960
that curtain again yeah

679
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,080
you know

680
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,760
building up that momentum where there's

681
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,400
like a you know speeding train is just

682
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:18,880
going to keep going right yeah no so far

683
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:22,000
so good uh did you ever have an incident

684
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,120
like did you ever have a sighting

685
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,320
yourself before 2004

686
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,600
you know that's interesting i was

687
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,840
talking about something similar on a

688
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:31,200
show yesterday

689
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,240
um

690
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,840
i had thought i had a few sightings

691
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
throughout my life

692
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,520
and then after filming unidentified with

693
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,799
lou and getting to know a couple people

694
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,799
on the crew and having a getting into

695
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,559
these daily chats that we're all in now

696
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,559
these signals and group meetings that

697
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,960
everybody's taken over by

698
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,159
um

699
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,640
they said hey why don't you write down

700
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,559
you know meditate like you do clear your

701
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,960
mind and then just write down everything

702
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,000
weird

703
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,440
everything questionable that you ever

704
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,960
remember you know

705
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,360
and it was once i did that

706
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,679
i had filled a white board in my garage

707
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,039
with um

708
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:07,200
with really anomalous events in life and

709
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,320
i'm not

710
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,159
i wa i had a pretty

711
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,279
pretty sharp

712
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,360
uh razor for shaving off what i

713
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,279
considered worthwhile speaking about

714
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,279
what i did right

715
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,960
and um it turned in it turned out that

716
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,039
i've had a lot of sightings um i've had

717
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:23,120
a lot of sightings of a few of the same

718
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,320
thing

719
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,679
um

720
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
and then not

721
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,400
and i again people go why do you think

722
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,919
that is sean man i don't know there we

723
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,600
could go we could have a six hour show

724
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,679
on consciousness and perception and

725
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,960
things like that

726
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,120
but

727
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,880
looking back and then going wow all that

728
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,120
and then oh four and yeah five months

729
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,919
later i saw i don't i

730
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
started a thing like first as if it was

731
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,760
you know as if everybody gets one but i

732
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,480
saw my black a black triangle you know

733
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,039
and i've i've been i've seen daylight b2

734
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,760
bombers nighttime b2 bombers i've been

735
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,360
on the i've been on the flight line when

736
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,200
every manner of aircraft including the

737
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,640
f-117 and i've guarded i've guarded uh

738
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,159
air force one before i've been around

739
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,320
aircraft for 20 years

740
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,720
what came over my house was two football

741
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,440
fields wide no lights going way too slow

742
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,799
matte black

743
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,320
and all i could hear over it was the

744
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,880
wind whistling over the over the hull

745
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,640
and then it it went over and then it

746
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,799
turned on its port side and it

747
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,559
it receded that's the only way to put it

748
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,320
because it either it either got smaller

749
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,200
or it went away way too fast right and

750
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,240
as you said no sonic boom no no vacuum

751
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,000
pockets anything like that and i live

752
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,960
under the landing corridor of of f8 of

753
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,360
three airports and the f-18s from the

754
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,200
carriers so there's the fact that you

755
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,640
don't hear a helicopter on our call

756
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:43,200
right now is crazy right and so i when i

757
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,320
say i know

758
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,240
what are what our black triangle

759
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,480
aircraft look like whatever manner of

760
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,559
them they are none of them look like

761
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,400
that they don't operate like that they

762
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,360
can't operate like that yeah

763
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,520
um i don't know what to do with that you

764
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,960
know whether it's because i'm in a fleet

765
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,559
concentration area or whether it's

766
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,799
because i'm on i'm on the neurodivergent

767
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,159
spectrum

768
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,720
i don't know i don't feel special

769
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,520
i just have seen things yeah so

770
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
and you know and most people like um

771
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,000
even when i started getting into let's

772
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,679
say the podcasting or even getting

773
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,840
involved with mufon had people at work

774
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,080
sort of make fun of you know oh this is

775
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,960
the ufo guy which is bound to happen

776
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,159
but then i had a bunch of people

777
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,000
approach me and tell me like you know oh

778
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,000
my grandfather saw something or my dad

779
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,840
saw something like everybody's family

780
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,840
member somebody saw something of

781
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,320
significance and that happens within the

782
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,880
military as well i mean you all have

783
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
family members family members see things

784
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,840
that peaks are curiosity and after

785
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,559
something that what you went through

786
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,400
how does that make you feel like being

787
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,960
in the military and thinking there's

788
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,120
things flying in the sky that even the

789
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,880
most powerful military in the world

790
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,760
can't even figure out

791
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,679
you know there was there was a time when

792
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,480
um i thought that it and maybe it's me

793
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,320
taking an easy answer but in o4 i

794
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,080
decided that must be us because of the

795
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,720
way that my chain of command responded i

796
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,240
was like they're so aloof and confident

797
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:10,000
that must be our tech being and we must

798
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,279
be out here for something i don't

799
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,240
understand great um and at that point in

800
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,159
my life i'd kind of put a lot of this

801
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,080
stuff behind me you know i still was

802
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,240
interested in uap but i didn't take it

803
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,600
very seriously

804
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,760
it really didn't affect my life

805
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,120
um

806
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,120
there was a time when i got

807
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,679
in the last four or five years when it

808
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,960
occurred to me what if this is an

809
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,559
invasion you know coming up with the

810
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,240
easy answers we all look at you know

811
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,600
what is it because they're not saying

812
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,960
hello they're not you know you got your

813
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,080
picture in the background they're not

814
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,880
waving them like that yeah

815
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,159
why are they

816
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,279
it's not waving this they're just

817
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:45,039
holding some guy's arm yeah oh you're

818
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,840
right yeah you know you're

819
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,039
right but in general

820
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,320
yeah it's not it's not they're not

821
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:52,880
showing up at the party yeah and so i've

822
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,000
ranged all over the place with it and um

823
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,520
i don't mean to get too philosophical

824
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,919
but we all live a personal life you know

825
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,480
we're all living in a society you've got

826
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,840
you've got

827
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,200
thousands of years worth of

828
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,600
fictionalized coding and language behind

829
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,520
you that we've developed to communicate

830
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,279
things with each other you know it's not

831
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,600
real we developed everything we're using

832
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,559
here right now yeah um and it could all

833
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,240
go away in an instant we could develop

834
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,600
something new

835
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,600
and again getting kind of deeply

836
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,200
philosophical with it when i look in a

837
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,840
microscope i see thousands of protozoa

838
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,840
and animals that don't even know i exist

839
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,360
and i'm walking around them in a circle

840
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,720
and i'm transporting them through a

841
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,840
medium and they don't even know the

842
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,159
medium exists right

843
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
and so

844
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,360
when i start thinking of

845
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,440
beyond my ego that well naturally

846
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,679
there's something bigger than you bro

847
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,880
um and my my eye only wants to look up

848
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,720
one or two levels it doesn't want to

849
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,000
think that there's something walking

850
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,080
around my petri dish right now going hey

851
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,840
larry come look at this this jackass

852
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,000
thinks he figured something out yeah you

853
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,240
know and they would be pardon my

854
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,080
language they would be at a uh they

855
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,279
would be at a level i would never

856
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,520
conceive perceive of anything i would

857
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,640
never

858
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,240
bump into their their existence

859
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,679
whatsoever but if they wanted to

860
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,880
talk to me

861
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,200
they might be able to do something

862
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,520
yeah um and i would probably not

863
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,279
understand it and so

864
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,520
that's one aspect of this phenomenon you

865
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,960
know i just described something that

866
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,000
that's

867
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:22,720
blows our mind and is greater than us

868
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:25,679
and all of that now if that exists

869
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,880
as i surely do to that that slide

870
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,360
well then everything in between exists

871
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,120
as well so that means there's there's

872
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,240
material animals like me with boxes

873
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,080
moving around

874
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,679
doing things

875
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,240
that are more advanced than me

876
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,640
it's not a stretch but we have lived

877
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,200
here at the bottom of a gravity well

878
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
for all of our existence peering upward

879
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:51,200
into the darkness going nah we're the

880
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:52,840
only ones

881
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,240
yeah this is all for us our creator

882
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,320
created all us and imbued us with and

883
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,320
we're awesome and we'll be here and you

884
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,919
know so excuse me i i i digress but

885
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,279
i can imagine

886
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,520
just about anything at this point yeah

887
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,360
it is the the height of human ignorance

888
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,960
too to say that you know there can't be

889
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,279
anything or you know we're very good at

890
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,360
knowing everything until we don't and

891
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,039
even the things that we think we've you

892
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,960
know invented we only just discovered i

893
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,559
mean mathematics has been around we just

894
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,880
figured out how it all works so

895
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,120
for anyone to say it's definitely this

896
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:27,919
or this nobody's an expert even quote

897
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,520
unquote uap expert nobody knows nobody

898
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,919
has the answers to this stuff it's only

899
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,559
because there's been a mass accumulation

900
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,760
of

901
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,159
people wanting to find out the thirst

902
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,120
for an answer is greater than the

903
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,039
evidence and that's good enough you know

904
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,279
because if you don't have that that

905
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,960
force of people that just are

906
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,640
unrelenting and not going to let this

907
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,120
thing go we may never get there you know

908
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,880
like you agree that they've had

909
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,440
continuous interest in this since the

910
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,080
40s it didn't stop you know in the 60s

911
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,200
70s 80 and they just decided to fire up

912
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,679
it's just literally taking that long

913
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,080
to try to even grasp you know even if

914
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,159
they do have recovered craft try to

915
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,080
figure out how that works like it's way

916
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,159
above your pay grade it could you know

917
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,679
if it's from a civilization that's

918
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,440
hundreds or thousands of years more

919
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:19,120
advanced you can play with that thing

920
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,480
all day long you're not going to figure

921
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,519
it out so nobody really knows uh it's

922
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,919
all exciting but sometimes it can get

923
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,240
kind of fringe you know i like the fact

924
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,880
that we refer to things as uaps not ufos

925
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,200
anymore because the stigma is there and

926
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,880
you know it makes it hard for somebody

927
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,960
in a position of authority to take it

928
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,760
seriously when it feels like you know 97

929
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,159
1970s science fiction well it's a

930
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,399
scientifically um

931
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,120
it's a poor title ufo is is a poor title

932
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,640
to use

933
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,080
because

934
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,519
so few of those things are exhibiting

935
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,279
flying characteristics and it just it

936
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,279
shows the ignorance oh man i'm going to

937
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,840
take people off because i am i am i am

938
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,399
an amateur scientist i am an armchair

939
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
scientist

940
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,919
we need less amateur and armchair

941
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,919
scientists making the proclamations in

942
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,240
uap studies yeah and we need we need

943
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,159
more and as jealous as i might be

944
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,000
everybody that had time to go to college

945
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,799
then i didn't which isn't true either um

946
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,120
you know what i mean it's like the phds

947
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,640
need to be on need to be on the beat

948
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,519
with this

949
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,200
and the rest of us need to be the one

950
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,640
you know the the armchair folks need to

951
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,480
be the ones to stop saying these things

952
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,430
we have we have

953
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,120
i don't know i i just get to the point

954
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,799
where we hit we have we avoid this

955
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,080
subject if people people

956
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:38,240
they have expectations and wants they

957
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,960
say

958
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,159
a lot of times in an interview someone

959
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,440
says sean what do you want it to be

960
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,360
because i won't say what i think it is

961
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,519
because that changes ten times a year

962
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,480
frankly

963
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,640
yeah what do i want it to be i want it

964
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,480
to be something that was worthwhile over

965
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,559
the journey i wanna i want it to be

966
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,159
something that was worth my time your

967
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,000
time and everybody else is that it's not

968
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,840
just something we're never gonna but

969
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,679
we're just seeing shine through a little

970
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,799
bit

971
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,200
um but a lot of other people i talk to

972
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,880
they really want it to be something

973
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,039
specific right

974
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,360
and i won't list out a bunch of stuff

975
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,519
but it needs to mean something specific

976
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,440
for them and i've taken all of that out

977
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,399
i don't care anymore i truly don't i

978
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,880
just i'm so think of it as it from a

979
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,480
traumatized person's perspective it's

980
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,559
just like just stop beating me just tell

981
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,720
me what you want and i'll do the dang

982
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,240
thing and we'll move on you know that's

983
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,399
what it feels like at this point

984
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,080
yeah i often said that it was kind of

985
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,240
like a me too that's taken place with

986
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,200
the ufo uh world you know like people

987
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,880
are saying you know they've been

988
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,240
i wouldn't say abused but there's some

989
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,320
people in the past that you know uh you

990
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,919
know we look at the credibility that

991
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,440
they have and they've been told to be

992
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,760
silent on the subject or consequences

993
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,960
should happen

994
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,440
we're not hearing that as much now uh i

995
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,720
mean i don't know if anybody's

996
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,480
approached you or lou keep your mouth

997
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,240
shut but i mean so far as far as i can

998
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,120
tell that's not happening anymore so

999
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,000
there seems to be a shift or an energy

1000
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,240
that's building up with this disclosure

1001
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,679
thing whatever that looks like

1002
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,600
i've cautioned some of my friends who

1003
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,359
are experiencers and i've only cautioned

1004
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,200
them in that listen no one's going to

1005
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,800
tell you not to talk i'm just telling

1006
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,399
you there's consequences that come with

1007
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,200
every action that's not a threat right

1008
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,560
you know but i'm not going to take that

1009
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,000
white board i talked about and take a

1010
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,679
picture of it and put it on twitter

1011
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,879
right

1012
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,960
that that would be opening a can of

1013
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,679
worms that i would never get out of you

1014
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,720
know i would just constantly be

1015
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,800
inundated by questions about that stuff

1016
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,079
and then people would make assumptions

1017
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,000
and they'd write stories from me that

1018
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,440
have me in them that i'd never even

1019
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,879
never even lived

1020
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,800
so okay

1021
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:40,159
that's not cool

1022
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,720
you mentioned uh you mentioned trauma

1023
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,320
sorry to cut you off jason no worries do

1024
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,440
you have any uh like any trauma leaving

1025
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,679
the military as a result of this or even

1026
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,440
just as a result of living a tough

1027
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,280
military life i mean everybody has some

1028
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,400
ptsd or you lose some comrades that's a

1029
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,160
difficult thing to reckon with since you

1030
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,680
guys are still only human at the end of

1031
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,720
the day so did this uh have a negative

1032
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,720
impact on you when you left and you know

1033
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:08,000
talking with your family and that type

1034
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,119
of thing

1035
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,400
it um it's had more of a negative impact

1036
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,560
since i've taken up the work so to speak

1037
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,440
in the last few years at the time it did

1038
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,119
i came home from that

1039
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:21,040
exercise and

1040
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,320
i had a lot of friends around i think it

1041
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,320
was football season and i i told

1042
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,920
everybody there was no nda or anything

1043
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,160
like that and so i told them exactly

1044
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,560
what we had seen and described the video

1045
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,680
and everything else them and they

1046
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,800
believed me no one called me crazy um

1047
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,640
and years later those were the same

1048
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,640
people who were in higher leadership

1049
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,720
positions in the military calling me up

1050
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,160
and going hey man that thing you told me

1051
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:44,880
about from the new york times today um

1052
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,160
but i won't dodge the question um i'm

1053
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,839
rated 90 uh disabled through the va

1054
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,720
um

1055
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,960
the majority of that is just broken

1056
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,359
parts and worn out parts from running on

1057
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,160
metal for 20 years right and things like

1058
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,400
that and landing on it hard and stuff

1059
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:03,680
like that

1060
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,200
but a portion of that is related to ptsd

1061
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,839
and generalized socialized anxiety

1062
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,000
um we could again spend a six-hour show

1063
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,359
trying to get down to the nitty-gritty

1064
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,040
of that because the first 20 years of my

1065
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,160
life was was as traumatic as any of ours

1066
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,480
um and then the intervening time in the

1067
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
military though it was something i chose

1068
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,640
to do that was a pretty crazy

1069
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:28,160
environment to be in

1070
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,119
um

1071
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,800
but i

1072
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,800
for me it was when i took off my uniform

1073
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,240
i took off my

1074
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,880
my super suit i i was

1075
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,720
it turned out tony stark was a punk

1076
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,160
underneath all that stuff you know what

1077
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,599
i mean that's how i felt i felt like

1078
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,520
when i took it off i was i didn't know

1079
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,359
who i was my authority was with it i

1080
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:47,200
didn't know how to stand up for myself

1081
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:48,320
without a

1082
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:52,839
a a badge or a anchors on my collar

1083
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,069
we never know where our trauma comes

1084
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,240
from exactly it's like you know between

1085
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,640
young and freud and his his students

1086
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,480
they like to help us through it

1087
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,839
but at the end of the day you have to

1088
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,880
decide

1089
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,880
what do i want and that was so for me i

1090
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,240
was like what life do you want to live

1091
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,240
and that was when i became a meditator i

1092
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,320
wanted to learn about myself why why am

1093
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,800
i angry at people i've never met before

1094
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,000
right

1095
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,400
things like that so

1096
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,040
i think that helps approach the uh

1097
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,960
approach the study of this trying to be

1098
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,119
as as i hate to say selfless that sounds

1099
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,280
like i'm patting myself on the back but

1100
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,680
to try to be to have his least amount of

1101
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,839
self-interest

1102
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,839
in this incredibly interesting topic i

1103
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,880
know that's hard to do but

1104
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,000
there's an aspect of it that's so

1105
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,200
personal it's going to give you whatever

1106
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,520
you want and then ruin you yeah

1107
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,280
yeah and if you want to absorb a bigger

1108
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,359
spectrum you have to flex that muscle

1109
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,839
you have to meditate and if this is all

1110
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,160
coming from you know the string theory

1111
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,680
type or the planck scale where

1112
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,480
everything's just potential energy until

1113
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,480
some consciousness makes it this versus

1114
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,119
that so yeah it kind of getting in touch

1115
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,359
with that emotional aspect and even when

1116
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,800
you interview people that are

1117
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,040
experiencers they say that there was no

1118
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,200
speaking it was telepathic it was all on

1119
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,599
a on a mind level and if you read

1120
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,000
reports you know like from bob lazar

1121
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,839
says that there was no control surfaces

1122
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,760
on the craft that he supposedly worked

1123
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,720
on so

1124
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,680
they're not using mechanical means as

1125
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,480
kind of a an old-school society they

1126
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,000
they've evolved to the point where they

1127
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,079
didn't blow themselves up through war

1128
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,240
they've you know um they've realized

1129
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,560
that they're physical beings having a

1130
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,440
spiritual experience and use their uh

1131
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,960
you know their talents collectively to

1132
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,119
do good things right so if we're going

1133
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,960
to evolve to that i think we need to

1134
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,880
kind of we need more of this type of

1135
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,480
information more podcasts more

1136
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,480
interviews with credible people

1137
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,960
it really helps other people to a get

1138
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,480
the information kind of connect their

1139
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,880
own dots right make their own decision

1140
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,720
yeah i completely agree with that i've

1141
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,280
been going through um

1142
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,839
a lot of fringe ethos information a lot

1143
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:02,079
of the alleged transcripts

1144
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,960
of

1145
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,240
um

1146
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,480
of alien encounters and you know and and

1147
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,079
i don't mean to smile around it i feel

1148
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,960
like i'm kind of being a little

1149
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,440
mainstream by smiling right now but

1150
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,880
i've taken in so much personal accounts

1151
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,560
in the last few months that's what i one

1152
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,160
of the things i've been focusing on is

1153
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,599
getting down to what what are people

1154
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,359
saying right what are all the people

1155
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,520
saying when they come back

1156
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,040
and there's so many there's a lot of

1157
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,640
overlap there's a lot of what i would

1158
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:29,040
call analytical or emotional overlay

1159
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,240
where someone is seeing something and

1160
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,760
then applying what they want to see to

1161
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,200
it and you can

1162
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,880
but there are similarities there and

1163
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,359
it's time that we start pulling pulling

1164
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,599
that continuity

1165
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,680
uh from these from these statements out

1166
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,160
and granted

1167
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,320
yeah science first right

1168
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,480
then the psychology you know and then

1169
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,040
and then the imaginative roaming of

1170
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,640
trying to you know throw the spaghetti

1171
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,640
against the wall and figure it out but i

1172
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,359
think we're safe to start doing that

1173
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,280
we we're looking at there's a few

1174
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,560
different things that want to present

1175
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,960
itself to us uh jacques valesi is a

1176
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:04,480
control system

1177
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,319
because everywhere i look i see a

1178
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,480
control system everything at some level

1179
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,839
controls some there's always a bigger

1180
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,800
fish as

1181
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,599
as quick on jin said right and

1182
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,160
so i'm not worried about that

1183
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,240
but when i get into

1184
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,400
people trying to tell me that here's the

1185
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,319
name here's the star system it's in this

1186
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,720
constellation then they start describing

1187
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,119
physics to me that don't make any sense

1188
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:30,640
you know they're like

1189
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,829
coming up with the data points that are

1190
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,079
that are that are that are usable out of

1191
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,319
that data it's for somebody that is much

1192
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,839
smarter than i am that understands

1193
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,839
analytics and algorithms and psychology

1194
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,200
better than i

1195
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,760
but at some point i i hope that we're

1196
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,839
modern enough that we're advanced enough

1197
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,520
to go can we just pour it through some

1198
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,359
algorithm can we pour all of this stuff

1199
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,560
through some algorithm and give it

1200
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,079
points to look at it can it give us a

1201
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,440
final report

1202
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,920
yeah because because as humanity we

1203
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,440
still don't know what's going on

1204
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,040
fractional if we're talking about the

1205
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,200
spiritual aspect refraction or you know

1206
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,200
we're balkanized acro across the world

1207
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,560
religiously

1208
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,440
ideologically it's the same way

1209
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,359
is that is that what the system is

1210
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,520
trying to deliver to us

1211
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,440
is it trying to is the system trying to

1212
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,880
deliver unity of understanding or or

1213
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,560
disparate nonsense

1214
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,760
because

1215
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,680
we we go from science we want to know

1216
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,599
what's what is that flying in the sky

1217
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,720
who is flying it what's his biology

1218
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,920
what does it want

1219
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,040
yeah

1220
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,640
my most important question that i wanted

1221
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,119
i want to know what it wants

1222
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,400
what you know

1223
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,240
and you go back throughout history and

1224
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,960
you look at the betty and barney hill

1225
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,560
case we were talking with kathleen

1226
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,720
martin not that long ago

1227
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,800
there's a bunch of cases like that which

1228
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,440
you know even the travis walton case um

1229
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,760
where there is an abduction but

1230
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,920
it doesn't seem to be

1231
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,680
you know like they see the strange craft

1232
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,440
then they see the strange entities then

1233
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,280
there's an abduction then there's a

1234
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,520
memory lapse now the thing is with uap

1235
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,200
studies i've always been i wear my

1236
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,200
emotions on my sleeve i talk about the

1237
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,280
abduction case cattle mutilations

1238
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,160
because they're all you know connected

1239
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,400
but when you uh when you heard about you

1240
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,079
know the the pilots

1241
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,599
chasing the ufos it's almost like the

1242
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,440
ufos have a consciousness to it like the

1243
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,839
entire ship has a consciousness to it

1244
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,920
um even was it david fravor that was

1245
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,839
saying um it's i hope i got his name

1246
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,000
right i always butcher names but uh when

1247
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,319
he said he was going down to uh see this

1248
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,160
tick tock that was above the water it

1249
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,680
recognized him

1250
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,440
like he said he felt it like it turned

1251
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,040
around and looked at him so there's a

1252
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,440
consciousness to these crafts or to

1253
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,599
these orbs or whatever people are seeing

1254
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,119
so that's the part that's really

1255
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,800
interesting is it them or is it their

1256
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,200
technology

1257
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,280
i have a um

1258
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,599
i guess it's time for me to clarify a

1259
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,920
story that i've kind of hinted at before

1260
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,160
um some folks will know i have a silly

1261
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,520
little song that i wrote that some

1262
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,040
friends use for bumper music for their

1263
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,480
podcast

1264
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,960
um it's called goblin problems

1265
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,079
um

1266
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:07,359
it's actually

1267
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,079
it's

1268
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,520
song it actually came out okay which

1269
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,960
seems like it wouldn't if you're looking

1270
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,560
at me

1271
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:15,440
but

1272
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:20,000
it's it's a recounting of an actual

1273
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,680
experience of mine and it's how i dealt

1274
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,640
with that experience because

1275
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,480
it still doesn't make any bang sense it

1276
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,400
happened right here in this house

1277
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,480
um the short story is my wife and i had

1278
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,240
a had a argument we've been married for

1279
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,079
21 years i'm not ashamed to say that we

1280
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,400
had a lousy argument

1281
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,760
yeah

1282
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:39,040
one of those ones where you end up

1283
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,640
sitting on the floor going like this to

1284
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,599
each other yeah kinda and um

1285
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,040
and it stopped in the middle of the

1286
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,880
argument both of us completely chilled

1287
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,319
out

1288
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,960
like it was over in an instant

1289
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,079
and i ended up i got up and walked to

1290
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,839
the top of the stairs in my house and i

1291
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,160
looked out this small window that we

1292
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,839
have at the top of the stairs that faces

1293
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,440
due north

1294
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,359
and i saw a

1295
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,240
this is

1296
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,760
all right here we go sean we're gonna

1297
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,680
tell people you're crazy uh i'm sorry

1298
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,359
but cause i because that's the feeling

1299
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,640
that's the feeling we all know it's a

1300
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:13,760
safe place brother safe place yeah

1301
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,710
it was a pot-bellied

1302
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,280
saucer so it was when i say pot belly it

1303
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,440
was kind of fat in the middle tapered to

1304
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,560
the edges

1305
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,680
the hint of some kind of dome on top

1306
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,599
a line going around the like a center

1307
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,680
line waistband that looked like it had

1308
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,560
these big rivets on it okay

1309
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,720
but it looked like it was rusted to heck

1310
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,800
like it was just vertigreed and just

1311
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,000
corroded

1312
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,280
and i said

1313
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,760
hey baby and i'm i'm gesturing like this

1314
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,359
down the stairs i go hey baby come up

1315
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,560
here you got to see this there's a

1316
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,800
there's this flying saucer over uh jim's

1317
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,000
house

1318
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:53,839
she comes upstairs and as she's coming

1319
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,720
up behind me i turn

1320
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,480
to my like i'm highly focused on the

1321
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:00,880
saucer i turn to my right

1322
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,640
and there's the occupant the pilot

1323
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:07,119
and it was it was scary as hell it was a

1324
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,790
very uh aggressive

1325
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,560
looking

1326
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,240
type of gray that some people described

1327
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,920
i was able to find pictures that looked

1328
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,440
just like what i saw on the internet but

1329
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,359
i know i've probably seen those before

1330
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:25,200
on the internet too right

1331
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,240
um

1332
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,280
but i

1333
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:29,280
i was enraged

1334
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,319
um

1335
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,040
i i pushed out the screen

1336
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,440
i tried to climb up over the little um i

1337
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,119
tried to climb out the window

1338
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,520
and in in the process of saying a

1339
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,480
pointing and saying i see you

1340
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,319
explain it in

1341
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,480
i'm gonna get you

1342
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,680
and i i remember pushing myself out the

1343
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,520
window as if i was pushing myself

1344
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,720
through water

1345
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,400
going after the going after this guy

1346
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,760
oh boy there's no coming back from

1347
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,200
telling this story um

1348
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,280
the next morning so that's where my

1349
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:06,640
memory of that argument ends

1350
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,400
i wake up in bed the next morning

1351
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,560
and well but i do

1352
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,400
right before i wake up in bed i wake up

1353
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,800
laying in my driveway and my boxer

1354
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,400
shorts okay

1355
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,960
in a pool of light

1356
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,880
then i'm in bed

1357
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,880
and i wake up like this so the whole

1358
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,560
thing goes like that so i wake up and i

1359
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,640
remember last night i remember a minute

1360
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,400
ago i was in the

1361
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,160
driveway okay

1362
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,599
and now i reach for my phone i look at

1363
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,520
the time it's 9am my wife and kids have

1364
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,880
gone to work

1365
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,119
normally i'm up making coffee doing this

1366
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
that and the other

1367
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,240
i get in touch with my wife and i'm like

1368
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,400
hey is everything you know doing that we

1369
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,079
drank too much last night check in with

1370
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,359
each other thing i don't know if that's

1371
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,079
familiar to everybody but um i let her

1372
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:52,079
i'm like hey are we okay she's like yeah

1373
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,280
we're all we're great i just didn't want

1374
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,119
to disturb you i want to let you rest

1375
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,960
when she got home

1376
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,960
all she knows is that all she remembered

1377
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,920
was that we had we had the argument

1378
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,960
and that

1379
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,119
i just said what i needed to say to make

1380
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,200
it all better and we hugged and

1381
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:08,720
we went to bed

1382
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,319
and that's all that she's got right

1383
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
i have a whole lifetime full of memories

1384
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,079
that's a memory that's not a dream i

1385
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,520
know what dreams feel like i know what

1386
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,599
that i know what the driveway felt like

1387
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,359
i know what the oil stain from where i

1388
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,200
used to park my truck felt like

1389
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,359
things you know it's smell right yeah

1390
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,200
all of it yeah full full spectrum

1391
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,640
experience

1392
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,559
what do we do with that if we take that

1393
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,240
one we you know we do the little

1394
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,640
hypnotic regression thing for me we say

1395
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,400
we're going to trust this guy

1396
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,880
how do we

1397
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,040
because i as a meditator and as someone

1398
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,800
who's studying nlp and hypnosis and

1399
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,960
things like that i know that if i trust

1400
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,480
you enough you can lead me down any

1401
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,720
primrose path to anything that you want

1402
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,359
me to see right and so i just don't know

1403
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,920
how we're gonna ever until the phenomena

1404
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:56,079
says even playing field let's shake

1405
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,960
hands

1406
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,960
let's have a negotiation and a landing

1407
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,440
kind of thing yeah

1408
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,960
i don't know how we're ever gonna figure

1409
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,480
this out if what happened to me is

1410
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,160
connected to the phenomena assuming i'm

1411
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,839
not just a person having a dream who

1412
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,079
likes ufos right i don't know

1413
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,200
right

1414
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,720
no thank you for sharing that with us

1415
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,960
that uh you know those experiences like

1416
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,680
i said i i 100

1417
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,520
believe you um

1418
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,119
these things happen and it's hard to

1419
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,040
talk about it like i said it's like a me

1420
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,040
too movement where people are starting

1421
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,960
to come forward and say look this is the

1422
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,119
stuff that i you know that i see

1423
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,280
how did you meet uh louis lozando how

1424
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,079
did that come about

1425
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,000
a buddy of mine called me the day the

1426
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,960
new york times article came out and that

1427
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,160
led to me

1428
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,079
just furiously google searching all

1429
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,520
kinds of stuff

1430
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:46,000
um found ttsa found that they were just

1431
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,160
up the road in encinitas from me um

1432
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:52,079
but i'm not i'm not a go visit folks and

1433
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,960
just

1434
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,040
kind of guy so i i fired enough fired

1435
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,359
off an email to ttsa

1436
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,720
and i said you know attention lou

1437
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,559
elizondo my name is sean cahill i was

1438
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,680
the chief master at arms on the

1439
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,960
princeton

1440
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,119
i do recall the events of the week

1441
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,359
surrounding the tic tac event

1442
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,800
i was paying attention i was law

1443
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,559
enforcement officer on board if you if

1444
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,640
you have any trouble corroborating the

1445
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,640
story of others in regards to the events

1446
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,760
please let me know i was just going to

1447
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,680
say hey if you need a bs filter i'll

1448
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:19,839
help right and that's kind of what i've

1449
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,040
stuck around to help with but um

1450
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,040
it took about nine months

1451
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,760
uh before i heard back from ttsa because

1452
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,280
they've gotten a you know it just took a

1453
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,800
long when they came out they got a lot

1454
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,359
of people interested um

1455
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:34,960
and

1456
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,359
else he asked if uh

1457
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,200
if a documentary film crew could come

1458
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,599
out to the house and with him and talk

1459
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,400
to me

1460
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,839
i said sure

1461
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,359
they came out and filmed at the house

1462
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,920
and then um later that actually it was

1463
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:54,240
just a history channel but they came and

1464
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,359
filmed at the house and then we went

1465
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,640
down by the waterfront and filmed the

1466
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,559
scene that with luis and i

1467
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,680
and

1468
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:02,240
as soon as we were done

1469
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,119
um

1470
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,480
the likes were off and everything and we

1471
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,160
yanked our mics and i told him i said

1472
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,599
hey man

1473
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,440
are you the real deal or not

1474
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,559
and he was kind of like what because i

1475
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,559
was i was challenging him i got kind of

1476
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,240
kind of got in his face because i was

1477
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,000
like are you like these jackass there's

1478
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,000
some pardon me i i swear sometimes i

1479
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,520
apologize hey

1480
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,040
it's all right man yeah we swear a lot

1481
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:23,440
on the podcast

1482
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,839
all right cool

1483
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,400
um

1484
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,720
but i was like uh

1485
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,240
there's a guy out there that claims to

1486
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,880
be fbi that before lou came out he was

1487
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,400
an fbi agent

1488
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,079
claiming all of these things he comes

1489
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,960
and goes in ufology and it doesn't make

1490
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,800
any sense yeah i think somebody wanted

1491
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,720
to be fox mulder and in fact i don't

1492
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,280
think his his resume lives up to his

1493
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,400
what he says

1494
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,760
but i was worried that we were going to

1495
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,359
get another one of those that we were

1496
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,880
getting some three-letter just what

1497
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,480
everybody else is worried about right

1498
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,079
three-letter agency turkey coming out

1499
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,599
here trying to take something he can't

1500
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,480
prove and get rich off

1501
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,800
so i spent nine months before i met him

1502
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,119
i was a cop for 20 years i i

1503
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:05,119
i wasn't a mall cop people like to make

1504
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,559
fun of you know everybody and things

1505
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,000
like that look the navy spent a lot of

1506
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,920
money training i utilized that training

1507
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,000
and i i determined that he was the real

1508
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,240
deal so when i met him i i kind of

1509
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,640
confronted him he's like no i'm serious

1510
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
and i said so you're not just going to

1511
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,160
make tv shows about ufos and all this

1512
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,000
other crap and make a bunch of money

1513
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,839
he's like no man in fact i have a

1514
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,359
freaking

1515
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,200
i think you know we've spoken military

1516
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,440
terms even though these are not

1517
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,839
accurate okay he's like i got an app

1518
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,280
coming up i'm going i mean i'm flying

1519
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,559
out soon i want to check this and i'm

1520
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,880
like really i said well i tell you what

1521
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,319
man i said

1522
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,640
i'm retired i was about to you know i've

1523
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,319
been doing xyz for a little bit of a

1524
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,520
while and i was about to go back to

1525
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,599
school just to keep myself busy i said

1526
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,599
but if if you're gonna if you're doing

1527
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,520
work i said i will put my boots back on

1528
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,440
i'll go to work for you yeah i said i'll

1529
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:53,040
i'll do this with you and he was like he

1530
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,319
honestly signs me up and he's like are

1531
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,319
you serious i was like if you're serious

1532
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,000
that this is worth doing

1533
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,760
and it's what you said what you're

1534
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,040
saying

1535
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,240
three weeks later we were in mexico

1536
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,760
and we've been together ever since and

1537
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:08,160
we haven't we haven't quit trucking um

1538
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,920
yeah it's it's real and that's you know

1539
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,760
and it validates to your both your

1540
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,839
positions and you know the fact that

1541
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,520
i've seen you know both of you on

1542
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,960
different podcasts and stuff like that

1543
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,280
you could tell you guys gel together

1544
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,960
really really well almost become really

1545
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,720
really tight with each other which is

1546
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,880
nice to see because that's what we need

1547
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,400
in the community

1548
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,400
you mentioned before you know there's a

1549
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,839
lot of people trying to make money off

1550
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,559
of this and then their egos get involved

1551
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,559
and that's a huge issue within the

1552
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,480
community ufology so seeing you guys

1553
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:40,400
sort of gel together and say no this is

1554
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,040
a

1555
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,000
united you know uh thing

1556
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:45,760
that's that's cool i like seeing that

1557
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,280
that's that's what we need right

1558
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,040
it's been hard to explain them it was

1559
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,640
hard to explain to my wife and kids at

1560
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,720
first when offers were coming through i

1561
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,359
i had offers early on to host shows um i

1562
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,359
had a couple of i had an offer to host

1563
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,839
to take over hosting a pretty

1564
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,359
um

1565
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,280
pretty famous

1566
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,400
um

1567
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,839
prime time ufo type tv show right

1568
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,079
and i i turned when i say i had to turn

1569
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,760
it down i don't think i really wanted to

1570
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,839
do it to be honest with you okay

1571
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:16,800
but

1572
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,720
just it was not gonna i was never gonna

1573
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,440
get to move the subject forward again

1574
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,520
i'm not in the way that i wanted to in a

1575
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,680
lasting way that had checks and balances

1576
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,559
and legislative support oversight

1577
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,990
i see the big picture yeah

1578
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,079
thousands of people have been as we said

1579
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,680
earlier traumatized by this subject

1580
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,119
whether psychologically whether

1581
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,480
physically

1582
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,800
um we can do better i think we can do

1583
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,319
better in a lot of ways and i finally

1584
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,240
found something that i'm

1585
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,760
willing to put all my effort into to

1586
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:52,160
make better for everybody else so

1587
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,119
uh

1588
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,040
i get as much out of this as anybody

1589
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,440
else nice

1590
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,680
louis did you have a uh a final question

1591
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,839
for our guest today yeah no more of just

1592
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:04,000
a comment uh you know it's nice to hear

1593
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,359
that you know well how you described

1594
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,760
luella zondo and both you guys put your

1595
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,440
boots on to work together you know keep

1596
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,440
each other keep each other honest and on

1597
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,880
point it's like having a good workout

1598
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,880
buddy you know the couple days you don't

1599
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,319
want to go you're that's what your buddy

1600
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,640
is there for and you guys got a lot of

1601
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,119
credibility you've had that public eye

1602
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,480
as well you know being on the history

1603
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,079
channel and everything else and you

1604
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,680
really made this accessible to the

1605
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,319
average person to kind of stop and think

1606
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,160
that hey maybe this isn't so crazy so

1607
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,640
from a public aspect thank you for doing

1608
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,720
that and for sharing

1609
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,480
because it's not crazy people in

1610
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,559
arkansas getting abducted and probed and

1611
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,319
dropped in a field somewhere it's

1612
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,319
legitimate people high security

1613
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,559
clearance trained observers and it's

1614
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,960
hard for them there's still a stigma and

1615
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,440
uh good for you for not not giving a

1616
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,040
[\h__\h] about that and just you know

1617
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,960
getting out there and uh and turning

1618
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,799
down the big buck and not selling out

1619
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,359
and just having your eye on the price so

1620
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,079
it's refreshing for sure um we try to

1621
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,079
only have people on the show that are

1622
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,319
open-minded credible you know we vet

1623
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,160
everybody and uh we really appreciate

1624
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,839
you coming on giving us the chance love

1625
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,000
to do it again love to have lou on one

1626
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,400
day that'd be amazing right so uh yeah

1627
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:14,079
for me it was more of i really enjoyed

1628
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,440
it thanks for letting me be a part

1629
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,680
thanks for uh sharing in our our happy

1630
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,400
little circle of love you know do it

1631
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,640
again anytime you like

1632
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,359
and

1633
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,960
i'm really honored to be here i really

1634
00:55:28,109 --> 00:55:27,040
am and sean where can people find you i

1635
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,119
know we got

1636
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,240
skyfort.org which we forgot to talk

1637
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,079
about but maybe you can just explain

1638
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:34,480
that really quickly and where people can

1639
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,760
find you on social media

1640
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:39,599
skype.org is the website for my company

1641
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,319
um skype llc we are a think tank and a

1642
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,599
strategic stratcom company and a

1643
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:48,400
we

1644
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,559
usually talk about the company um

1645
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,920
we talk about you know moving the

1646
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:56,160
subject forward incubating new tech

1647
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,359
meaning you know talking about it

1648
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,720
getting the right people looking at it

1649
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,119
in the end it's really about making sure

1650
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,480
that as many people take this as

1651
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,160
seriously as possible it's not a

1652
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,319
money-making venture but we knew that

1653
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,920
the way people look at things in the

1654
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,839
world if you're just a person you must

1655
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,160
have a motive if you're a company oh

1656
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,000
suddenly you're uh there's something we

1657
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,839
can just take seriously frankly it's

1658
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,400
just that simple in a lot of ways um

1659
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,640
people can find me online at minty

1660
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,000
hyperspace m-i-n-t-y

1661
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,109
um that's where i am on all platforms

1662
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,040
i'm not on all platforms only a few of

1663
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,200
them only twitter and instagram i think

1664
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,960
yeah um

1665
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,240
but uh

1666
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,760
i'm pretty inundated with with

1667
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,920
communications these days i try to get

1668
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,760
through everything i don't get a chance

1669
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,440
to answer everything

1670
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,839
um but i do love interacting with folks

1671
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,480
and

1672
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,000
it was really honored to be here i want

1673
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:51,520
to say really quick that what you guys

1674
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,240
do

1675
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,920
because you're having the serious

1676
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,160
podcast it would be a lot easier for you

1677
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,680
to become famous

1678
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,160
be more polarized say a lot of nonsense

1679
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,920
get a lot more views

1680
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,440
um the fact that you're having somebody

1681
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,200
like me on instead of a lot of other

1682
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,000
people that might make a louder noise

1683
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,559
i really appreciate that i really do no

1684
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,559
this is the labor of love labor love

1685
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,319
absolutely you're not making a penny off

1686
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,160
of this this is just

1687
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,599
love with the sport

1688
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,160
absolutely i'm gonna make it work

1689
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,000
perfect sean cahill thank you so much

1690
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:26,079
for joining us on uap studies today it's